3rd Pre-charrette Coffee Klatch

Another great, productive, exciting coffee klatch!

Those in attendance:

Dustin Haggett

Kate Spears

Joh Larsen

Greg Walker

Jenn Blum

Jeff White

Caroline Barrett

Lou Barrett

Jeremy Goldsmith

Brook Oswald

Christian Harrison

James Alfandre

 

We met in the Pickle Company, again, had some drinks and snacks (thanks Kevin Blalock and others for providing) and got to work!

The topic: Streets and types of streets that are currently in the neighborhood and those that will be a part of the neighborhood.

We split up into two groups with each group looking at the Granary street network. One group was more on task (note the below picture) while the other group brainstormed future transportation options and ways to get more people down to the Granary (for detailed minutes, scroll down.)

We'd like to thank everyone that attended and would love to get some more feedback on this topic by all of you through comments and responses to this blog.

We'll see you all next Wednesday evening 8pm for the 4th Granary District pre-charrette coffee klatch! Stay tuned for more details!

Meeting minutes (thanks to Jeremy Goldsmith):

Street Sesion- Groundwork for Charrette

______INTRODUCTION_______

Tonight, we talked about the street experience from a 30,000 foot level.  Different sorts of the street experience and what flavors are available to pedestrians, residents, business owners, visitors, and tourists.  

Potential 15-20 year Plan:

There will be split of TRAX at 700 South.  One currently goes east to Main Street and the future TRAX will go to 600 West and up to the intermodal hub; effectively wrapping the downtown and Granary District with transit options. 

Much sooner than that, they are looking to bringing a streetcar down 400 W and turning onto 900 S to link up with the 900 S station.  Then long-term, running a street car all the way from 9th&9th East to 9th&9th West. 

Street layouts aren't set in stone - this is where WE NEED FEEDBACK from these Coffee Klatch mini-meetings and the big charrette on April 24th.  

Types of Roads / Flavors of Roads

Many types of experiences on these different roads.  Is there a special type of street that is going to be down here?  A first of it's kind in the United States?

Next we looked at through-streets that have higher amounts of traffic. These are streets that connect the Granary District to Downtown Salt Lake City, the East Bench, South Salt Lake, Rose Park, etc...

Examples:

• West Temple
• 300 West
• 800 South

On the next level down we looked at tertiary streets that don't run through to other districts, communities or cities.  Smaller amounts of traffic are on these streets.

Finally, the normally lowest level of street type is a dead-end street or a terminal street.

THE LEVEL BEYOND!  

See last week's klatch description where we worked on breaking up the block with these types of transportation options:

• Paths
• Pedestrian Only Streets
• Bike/Pedestrian Paths
• Emergency Access Pedestrian Boulevards
• Etc...

Different Kinds of Streets

• Highways
• Drives
• Roads
• Boulevards
• Avenues
• Streets
• Rear-Lanes
• Paths
• Allies 

Questions Raised from the Group?

1. Do these large concepts fit the different modes and forms in this area?
2. If so, have we applied them correctly?
3. What are the overlays for the area?
4. What is the differences between our dedicated land vs. undedicated land?
5. What is the need for parking based on our right-of-way culture?  Parking?  What are the parking concerns? Where are the connectors to parking via the transportation grid?
6. How can we capture different types of experiences that we could have in the future area?
7. How do we take into scale into consideration?

________________TRANSITION TO OPEN/FREE DISCUSSION____________

SLC City Council - Parking Re-zone where parking is 

2 cars per 1000sq ft

down to 

1 car per 1000sq ft

Grand Boulevard Discussion

Master Developers?

Granary - Smaller Property Owners

Denver (Largest Land Owner) - LA Live Owner, Staples Center, 

Input: Takeaway: GEOGRAPHIC ASSET - The Granary is special

Looking at financial institutions - What are the federal funds?

New thinking and innovative financing?  

RDA as a lender?  Not really.

Matching the business plan of economics to these local property owners.

New market tax credits

Federal/State/City/Local - Diversify!!!

Biggest problem - LOU

City requirements 

City regulation on old structures

(Land banking response by major developers / mega developers)

CITY MUST MAKE ALLOWANCES

Compliance with the City.  

How efficiently and effectively property owners can get entitlements?

CRUX of the CHARRETTE

Stay active!!

City Council is proud of this (from residential perspective)

Budget application meeting next Wednesday.

Raised half of the money through AmEx and Morgan Stanley

Basic Costs of the Engineers, Planners, Architects!!!

They want to do LEED Certified (ARE YOU KIDDING ME?)

If there is going be money, they aren't going to give you because they have to underwrite it.

Need Private (Angel) Investors

Pre-sales, pre-leases, ROI is what the private investors look for.

Economics, economics, economics.  

A particular site or project that could act as a catalyst? Or showpiece?

3 properties to start the SNOWBALL EFFECT

Kevin Blalock's property. 

Fleet Block

Skyler Nielsen's properties

The GOAL is to get the redevelopment projects going to start the catalyzation.

REFOCUS (by Christian)______________________

Streets - Back to the STREETS

Do we think that we can outline the other streets that haven't been MASTER PLANNED by UTA and other agencies (SLC, etc.)?

How far away from the dead ends to we draw that? What's the extend of those roads where we know the dead ends come?

Draw for input...

Terminal Roads

Non-thru streets (aka Kilby Court).

____________TRANSITION INTO TWO GROUPS______________

GROUP RESULTS

Group #1 - JAMES

Transportation and streets that would carry types of transportation

Definitely merit more interest - BROOK - PSOMAS Engineering

CLAPS

UTA Appreciation - 

Trails are getting cut

Transportation is getting cut

Can UTA run a bus route to simulate the TRAX/Street-Car?

Can Salt Lake City run the bus?

?Competition Incentive?

Push to look at a funding option that way

(Street car - 5/10 years?) - Success of Sugarhouse Street car is imperative

"Lighting Overlay?" How does lighting affect the experience for traffic? Bikers? Transit-riders? Bikers? Pedestrians?

Immediate transportation!!!!

UTA? UDOT? RDA? SLC? Private venture? (Competition in the market)

Group #2 - CHRISTIAN

Five road types

+3 inter-block road types

TRAX

STREETCAR

THRU

REGULAR

TERMINUS

Pedestrian+Emerg

Pedestrian only

One-Way

Pre/Post TRAX & Streetcar Overlay

The rest of the street gets same type of treatment?

Bike-Overlay

What does a bike lane look like on this street model?

T-Intersection (5th W & 9th S and regular street).

Post a recap to NING

Next Ideas?

Next Steps?

Next NEXT?

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